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when bill clinton says something, people start to pay attention. he has weighed in on this and said something i want you to unpack. he has argued that the republicans what the electorate in 2012 to look like the 2010 electorate and not like the 2008 electorate. explain what he meant by thtat. >> if you look at the 2008 electorate, it was a the per se electric, a denver electorate. and it signaled a democrat change in the country and what the electorate will look like going forward in 2016 and beyond. that is why i called the coalition of the ascendant. if you look at 2010, it was an electorate that was older and more conservative. that is why republicans did so well in 2010 and not so well in 2008. clinton said this is not rocket science, that what republicans want to do is they want to make the 2012 electorate look more like the 2010 electorate and the 2008 electorate. and clinton said he had never seen in his lifetime an effort to restrict the franchise that he has seen today. clinton grew up in arkansas. he knows what this kind of politics is ab
when bill clinton says something, people start to pay attention. he has weighed in on this and said something i want you to unpack. he has argued that the republicans what the electorate in 2012 to look like the 2010 electorate and not like the 2008 electorate. explain what he meant by thtat. >> if you look at the 2008 electorate, it was a the per se electric, a denver electorate. and it signaled a democrat change in the country and what the electorate will look like going forward in 2016...
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clinton was president, that created the biggest surplus in history. last night romney ruled out raising a dollar of taxes on anybody, closing out the loophole that is $4 billion in corporate welfare, refused to acknowledge the loophole that gives tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and when he was asked what he would do to cut the deficit, said he would eliminate funding for public television. that was his answer. thank goodness somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. it is about time. we did not know that big bird was driving the federal deficit, but that is what we heard last night. how about that? elmo, too? look, the fact is governor romney's numbers do not add up. i had to spend time last night trying to pin it down. the only way to pay for $5 trillion in the tax cuts and $2 trillion in the defense spending that the military says it does not need is by asking the middle-class to pay more. i refuse to do that. i refuse to ask middle-class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pa
clinton was president, that created the biggest surplus in history. last night romney ruled out raising a dollar of taxes on anybody, closing out the loophole that is $4 billion in corporate welfare, refused to acknowledge the loophole that gives tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and when he was asked what he would do to cut the deficit, said he would eliminate funding for public television. that was his answer. thank goodness somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. it...
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it's why bill clinton's speech was so successful and they call him the explainer in chief. you can explain the math to you and make you see why the numbers don't add up and why mitt romney is cute on these things. the third thing is simple. i said in the show yesterday, mitt romney is really good when he's carrying out prescripted attacks. that is all he did for 90 minutes last night. he spent months preparing for in and had every line internalized and he's good at that. you need to knock him off that game. think about the primaries. when rick perry started to mix it up with him a little bit, that's where the $10,000 bet came from. you income him off the script, and that's where the trouble starts for mitt romney. obama didn't even try. >> i completely agree with that. mitt romney, as you said, he's very good when he can go and say what he wants to say. they didn't take any moment or opportunity to get him off the game. the other failure i would say is overall the president and his team have been excellent at framing this election as a choice rather than a referendum. last
it's why bill clinton's speech was so successful and they call him the explainer in chief. you can explain the math to you and make you see why the numbers don't add up and why mitt romney is cute on these things. the third thing is simple. i said in the show yesterday, mitt romney is really good when he's carrying out prescripted attacks. that is all he did for 90 minutes last night. he spent months preparing for in and had every line internalized and he's good at that. you need to knock him...
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paul riden it became from bill clinton's chief of staff. this is an idea that's been around for a long time. we're saying, let's see if we can get competition into the medicare world so people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better quality. i believe in competition. >> jim, if i can just respond quickly. first of all, every study has shown that medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniorly are generally pretty happy with it, and private insurance has to make a profit. there's nothing wrong with that. that's what they do. so you have higher administrative costs. plus profit. on top of that. and if you are going to save any money through what governor romney's proposing, what has to happen is that the money has to come from somewhere. and when you move to a vouch erp system, you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies, and over time, if traditional medicare has decade or fallen apart, then they're stuck. and this is the reason why aarp has said that your p
paul riden it became from bill clinton's chief of staff. this is an idea that's been around for a long time. we're saying, let's see if we can get competition into the medicare world so people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better quality. i believe in competition. >> jim, if i can just respond quickly. first of all, every study has shown that medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniorly are generally pretty happy with...
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clinton made politics. and the fact is politics can be enormous fun. mitt romney had fun tonight. the president did not have fun. >> rose: and passion. katty kay, can you hear me. she's not ready. so let me throw this open. so where does this campaign go now. will there be a ridged analysis of who said what and therefore finding fault and perhaps finding discrepancies in what people said. anybody make any factual mistakes. >> well, i think that a lot of the things that president obama didn't do tonight will now be things his campaign will try to litigate. there are things governor romney, i don't think falsehood so much as there's some more meat on the bones. they've been able for a long time to portray, to characterize governor romney's policies in any way they wanted to because he was not saying anything specific about his policies. he's now said a bunch of things, and they will now look at those things for inconsistencies and look at those things where they will be able to say well sate a second, you sai
clinton made politics. and the fact is politics can be enormous fun. mitt romney had fun tonight. the president did not have fun. >> rose: and passion. katty kay, can you hear me. she's not ready. so let me throw this open. so where does this campaign go now. will there be a ridged analysis of who said what and therefore finding fault and perhaps finding discrepancies in what people said. anybody make any factual mistakes. >> well, i think that a lot of the things that president...
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the second time was under bill clinton where it's 4.3%. our economic growth is 1.3%. so they're talking about a 50% increase in job creation in a very slow economy. >> so you're doing the math and doesn't translate. >> disingenuous promise and no one explains where do the jobs come from? >> no one has an answer. >> i'm pressing both sides for a very long time. it is unsatisfactory as a claim but they're both doing it. >> and by the way, you're in atlanta because you are -- >> i'm actually having a forum tonight. i'm hosting a panel on millennials. >> between now and -- we need to get him with millennials. >> ask them to tweet me and tell me what life is like. >> good luck with you. good to see you, friend. >> and you. >> watch ali, of course. tivo him, read his book "your money." right here on cnn. >>> coming up next, we have a debate coach here in studio and she is going to tell me and you what each candidate needs to do during the next faceoff including specifics about body lack wage and talking to you, the americans. as station about once a month. last time i was a
the second time was under bill clinton where it's 4.3%. our economic growth is 1.3%. so they're talking about a 50% increase in job creation in a very slow economy. >> so you're doing the math and doesn't translate. >> disingenuous promise and no one explains where do the jobs come from? >> no one has an answer. >> i'm pressing both sides for a very long time. it is unsatisfactory as a claim but they're both doing it. >> and by the way, you're in atlanta because...
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bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so that they've got some money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can afford to do a little bit more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> the president began this segment, so i think i get the last word. >> you're going to get the first word in the next segment. >> but he gets the first word of that segment. i get the last word -- let me just make this comment. >> first of all -- >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. that's point one. so you may keep referring to the $5 trillion tax cut, but
bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so that they've got some money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we...
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bill clinton did what i'm talking about. he created 23 million new jobs, we went from deficit to surplus, and small businesses did very well. so in some way we have data on which plan is more likely to create jobs for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they have money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, we can do a little more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> the president began this segment, so i think i get the last word. he gets the first word of the next segment, i get the last word of this segment. let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. that's part one. you may keep referring to it as a $5 trillion dax tax cut, but that's not reply plan. number two, let's look at history. my plan is not like anything that's been tried before. m
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bill clinton does it in a warm and empathetic way. and president obama did a little bit of that but in this very disengaged law/professor-type of approach. some people think it is harder for the president to be nasty, be tough because then he comes across as an angry black man who is going to scare people. i don't know, but for whatever reason it -- he just did not push back. he did not engage. >> i think also the lack of audience noise was an issue and the way the debate was staged. it added to this lack of energy. remember, this is a year when most people watching debates on television or getting their news are used to the kind of roar of the crowd. they used to tweet, they are used to crowd engagement. to have two people quiet ligating on the stage in a professorial way is quite alien for most american people today. >> there's that same perception that it is reality, even liberal pundits were critical of the president. a lot of the post and headlines today will say mitt romney won this debate. they are both going out on the road to
bill clinton does it in a warm and empathetic way. and president obama did a little bit of that but in this very disengaged law/professor-type of approach. some people think it is harder for the president to be nasty, be tough because then he comes across as an angry black man who is going to scare people. i don't know, but for whatever reason it -- he just did not push back. he did not engage. >> i think also the lack of audience noise was an issue and the way the debate was staged. it...
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clinton was president. we created 23 million new jobs and went from deficit to serve less. -test server + >> i have five boys, i'm used to people sang something that is not always true and just keep repeating it hoping that i believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. >> is there a be two more presidential debates the next one is more of a town hall style format. the audience will have an opportunity to answer ask questions. vice president joe biden and paul ryan will have their debate and kentucky. >> pictures of denver this morning, this is a rally for president obama. he is scheduled to speak here momentarily. a lot of critics as well as supporters are considering his performance last night to be lackluster. we will see how he reacts to last night's debate and how he plans to move forward from this point on. >> o if you miss the debate last night you can still see the whole thing on our web site at kron4 .com. we also encourage you to share your thoughts
clinton was president. we created 23 million new jobs and went from deficit to serve less. -test server + >> i have five boys, i'm used to people sang something that is not always true and just keep repeating it hoping that i believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. >> is there a be two more presidential debates the next one is more of a town hall style format. the audience will have an opportunity to answer ask questions. vice...
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obama, you're not bill clinton. bill: what did charles think. syndicated column tonight charles krauthammer said there was a clear winner. >> romney won big. he won by two touchdowns. when he steps on the statement gives him stature. when he performs like romney did it changes the mow men tim. bill: krauthammer went on to say one debate won't win the election but it might change the course. martha: vice president joe biden says governor romney did not go far enough in explaining his plans specifically to the american people. >> governor romney laid out a fundamentally different philosophy. he called for a tax plan that would these massive cuts for the wealthy but refused to explain how copay for them without raising tax on middle class families. instead he just denied how big these tax cuts were. martha: the romney campaign said they did lay out specific he will ets how they would pay for those. biden will debate paul ryan in danville, kentucky next thursday. bill: a former new york city mayor republican candidate rudy giuliani said the presiden
obama, you're not bill clinton. bill: what did charles think. syndicated column tonight charles krauthammer said there was a clear winner. >> romney won big. he won by two touchdowns. when he steps on the statement gives him stature. when he performs like romney did it changes the mow men tim. bill: krauthammer went on to say one debate won't win the election but it might change the course. martha: vice president joe biden says governor romney did not go far enough in explaining his plans...
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bush, then bill clinton, then george w. bush, then barack obama. the fundamental decisions that businesses make particularly domestic businesses are driven really by what's going on with the consumer. and i think the only thing that would worry me is if i really believed that romney and ryan were going to get elected and they were going to come in and dramatically cut government spending, that would lead to a recession, and that would worry me. but i don't think they're going to get elected, but more importantly, i don't think they would do that if they did get elected. nears no republican that ever has. i think ceos are focused on what the consumer is doing, what are their customers doing. and as jim cramer said a little earlier, i think between 23 and 27 minutes of the world's focus was on this last night. the people have moved on to more substantive topics now. >> so the bottom line is that it does not matter for a domestic business who gets elected? when it comes to the fundamental -- >> i think it does matter, but i think it matters because i
bush, then bill clinton, then george w. bush, then barack obama. the fundamental decisions that businesses make particularly domestic businesses are driven really by what's going on with the consumer. and i think the only thing that would worry me is if i really believed that romney and ryan were going to get elected and they were going to come in and dramatically cut government spending, that would lead to a recession, and that would worry me. but i don't think they're going to get elected,...
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clinton's famous speech? >> he is looking for a comeback moment. what happens next is going to be important. he's going to be giving a speech on foreign policy. he'll be asked about this in interviews in the coming days. if he can build on this, yes. he will start to close the gap. the romney campaign, just happened just at the right moment for them to capitalize on something. knowing you have five weeks left. there's a couple of turns left. >> the next presidential debate, tuesday, october 16th. >> thanks, rick. >> thank you, guys. >>> again, we extend our thanks to rick klein for that. we'll have much more from the abc political team coming up in a little while on "good morning america." >>> now, turning overseas to breaking news from along the border between turkey and syria. for a second-straight day, turkish artillery has opened fire on syria's targets. that's in retaliation for the syrian shelling of a turkish town yesterday. turkey says the shelling was a warning, not a declaration of war. >>> a huge f
clinton's famous speech? >> he is looking for a comeback moment. what happens next is going to be important. he's going to be giving a speech on foreign policy. he'll be asked about this in interviews in the coming days. if he can build on this, yes. he will start to close the gap. the romney campaign, just happened just at the right moment for them to capitalize on something. knowing you have five weeks left. there's a couple of turns left. >> the next presidential debate, tuesday,...
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caller: bill clinton and i voted for george bush then i voted for obama. last night romney looked like a leader. i'm not for big government. i was excited with the national health-care plan until i started talking to some friends and relatives of mine that work in the health-care industry that were expressing concern. i have an aunt that works in the health-care industry and working with the disabled. she says it will be a disaster. she knows people personally and companies that will lose the medicare to the national health care system. they will not be able to accept medicare. that ownsme on goauncles some businesses. i don't consider them wealthy. they will be hit hard through this, if obama gets his tax increases through. host: are you leaning towards mitt romney at this point? caller: it would be hard to persuade me. that rahm it appears to be a leader. mitt romney has worked across the lines -- mitt romney appears to be a leader. i believe he will look down and will cut you off and that is what he has done with the congress. i did not believe that we
caller: bill clinton and i voted for george bush then i voted for obama. last night romney looked like a leader. i'm not for big government. i was excited with the national health-care plan until i started talking to some friends and relatives of mine that work in the health-care industry that were expressing concern. i have an aunt that works in the health-care industry and working with the disabled. she says it will be a disaster. she knows people personally and companies that will lose the...
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bill clinton's thinking, okay, i saved his convention. do i have to -- i mean, you know bill clinton, along with every other democrat, was pulling his hair out last night. >> oh, yeah. >> so many softballs lobbed barack obama's way that he just didn't take a swing at. >> i think that when you look at those debates four years ago, all obama had to do was to show up and to be calm. they were -- we were in the midst of an economic panic. and he showed, you know, a very calm and steady demeanor which was reassuring. but he's never actually had to make a case in a debate. and he couldn't make a case last night. he couldn't even make a case for his own stimulus program. it was astonishing. >> this was each candidate's best and worst on display because the president -- i think a lot of people agree -- debates aren't his strong point and the stylistic part of it is difficult. with mitt romney, even during the primary, even though the competition was clownlike, he always stepped up and was aggressive and was impressive. >> that's right. this shoul
bill clinton's thinking, okay, i saved his convention. do i have to -- i mean, you know bill clinton, along with every other democrat, was pulling his hair out last night. >> oh, yeah. >> so many softballs lobbed barack obama's way that he just didn't take a swing at. >> i think that when you look at those debates four years ago, all obama had to do was to show up and to be calm. they were -- we were in the midst of an economic panic. and he showed, you know, a very calm and...
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that isn't what bill clinton did. that's not what ronald reagan did. and so i think it really exposed the president for the person who thinks that all he had to do was go it alone. >> gretchen: the interesting thing is, four years ago for you when you were facing that hope and change rhetoric, there was no record to go up against. now mitt romney had the ability to say that hope and change thing didn't really work out in the eyes of many americans and ironically, it was mitt romney last night talking about how he's reached across the aisle in massachusetts. i believe he said that he had an 82% democratic legislature there and he still passed things by working together. do you think that resonates with the people who have not made up their mind yet? >> i can't tell you the number of people, gretchen, that come up to me and say, why can't you guys, you guys, sit down and work together? they know what the fiscal cliff is. they know what kind of shape we're in. and romney's answer last night i thought was perfect. he'll sit down and talk to anybody. but he
that isn't what bill clinton did. that's not what ronald reagan did. and so i think it really exposed the president for the person who thinks that all he had to do was go it alone. >> gretchen: the interesting thing is, four years ago for you when you were facing that hope and change rhetoric, there was no record to go up against. now mitt romney had the ability to say that hope and change thing didn't really work out in the eyes of many americans and ironically, it was mitt romney last...
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. >> bill clinton tried the approach i am talking about. we created 23 million new job went from ficit to surplus and businesses did very well. so, in some ways we have data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunities for americans and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they have money in l pockets and those of us who did extraordinarily well because of the magnificent country we are living in. >> so what came out on top after last night's showdown? we'll ask obama delegate brian benjamin and fox news contractor angela mccowan. >> thank you. >> it was a long night. angela who won and why? >> of course romney did. people want substance and solution and not glorified speeches. obama is good at that and he didn't have the teleprompter and he had to defend what he did. and sometimes he was babbling on and you coon understand -- couldn't understand him. romney stayed on point. he has to perform well in the next debate. >> before we get to the next debate. brian who do
. >> bill clinton tried the approach i am talking about. we created 23 million new job went from ficit to surplus and businesses did very well. so, in some ways we have data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunities for americans and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they have money in l pockets and those of us who did extraordinarily well because of the magnificent country we are living in. >> so what...
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clinton's famous speech? >> you need a story to change if you are mitt romney. he is primed for a comeback moment. what happens next is going to be important. how does he follow up on this. he's giving a speech on foreign policy. going to be asked about this in interviews. if he can build on momentum a little. yes expect that he begins to close the gap. positive signs in battleground states. so the romney campaign just happened at the right moment for them to capitalize on something. knowing you have five weeks left, knowing that there's still a couple turns left. >> i can't believe, well, we have 33 days left. five weeks and counting. >> coming soon. >>> celebrity cat fights are nothing new. >>> celebrity cat fights are nothing new. a new one involving a well-known tv actor and famous rock 'n' roller. >> abc's nick watt reports the fight is over a fallen tree. ♪ despite all my rage >> reporter: living next to smashing pumpkins billy corgan noise would have to be your major complaint. apparently not. it's t
clinton's famous speech? >> you need a story to change if you are mitt romney. he is primed for a comeback moment. what happens next is going to be important. how does he follow up on this. he's giving a speech on foreign policy. going to be asked about this in interviews. if he can build on momentum a little. yes expect that he begins to close the gap. positive signs in battleground states. so the romney campaign just happened at the right moment for them to capitalize on something....
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bill clinton hasn't been president for four years. and romney kept going back to one in six americans in poverty. and 15 mill yn on food stamps. four years you have been president. he was almost running as if he never held the office. >> i think all of barack obama's attacks on mitt romney are based on myth. you can get away with that in a 30 second commercialist or an interview. but standing face-to-face with someone ready to call you out on it you're not going to get away with it. he was exposed. the president and his agenda exposed tonight z this race will never be the same after tonight. >> sean: a agree with that z this is interesting. because the meeting -- media never did do their job. mitt romney kept looking him in the eye. and obama looking down. didn't have answers and anecdotes didn't fit the question or moment. he was meandering. you know? for -- who bill mahr tweeted out i think he does need a teleprompter. >> the president built a mythical campaign. now you have to stand next to the person. there is another moment you'r
bill clinton hasn't been president for four years. and romney kept going back to one in six americans in poverty. and 15 mill yn on food stamps. four years you have been president. he was almost running as if he never held the office. >> i think all of barack obama's attacks on mitt romney are based on myth. you can get away with that in a 30 second commercialist or an interview. but standing face-to-face with someone ready to call you out on it you're not going to get away with it. he...
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bill clinton coined the approach i'm talking about. created 23 million new jobs, went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. so in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they've got money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that question live in, that we can afford to do a little more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> the president began this segment, so i think i get the last word. so i'm going to take it. >> you'll get the first word in the next segment. >> he gets the first word in this segment, i get the last word i hope. >> that's okay. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. i'm not putting in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. that's point one. you can keep referring to a $5 trillion tax cut, but that's not my plan. >> okay. >> l
bill clinton coined the approach i'm talking about. created 23 million new jobs, went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. so in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they've got money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that question live in,...
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it came from bill clinton's chief of staff. this says let's see if we can get competition into the medicare world so people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better policy is a quality. i believe in competition. >> every study has shown matters here -- medicare has the word administrative cost. this is why seniors are generally happy with it. private insurers have to make a profit. that is what they do. you have higher administrative costs plus profit on top of that. if you were going to save any money to what governor romney is proposing, what has to happen is that the money has to come from somewhere. when you move to a voucher system, you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies. over time, if traditional medicare has decayed, they are stuck. this is why aarp has said your plan would begin medicare substantially. that is why they were supportive of the approach we took. we do have to lower the cost of health care. >> we will talk about that in a minute. >> overall. >> that is a big top
it came from bill clinton's chief of staff. this says let's see if we can get competition into the medicare world so people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better policy is a quality. i believe in competition. >> every study has shown matters here -- medicare has the word administrative cost. this is why seniors are generally happy with it. private insurers have to make a profit. that is what they do. you have higher administrative costs plus profit on top of that. if...
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bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. so in some ways we have data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they have money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can do more -- >> romney: jim the president started this segment. so i get the last word. >> you get the first word of the next segment. >> romney: i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. that's .1. so you may keep referring to it as a $5 trillion tax cut. but that's not my plan. number 2, let's look at history. my plan is not like anything that has been tried before. my plan is to bring down rates and also bring down deductions exemptions and credits at the same time so the revenue stays in. my priority is putting people back to work
bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. so in some ways we have data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they have money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can do...